Tuesday, December 18, 2018

Brexit prediction

John Quiggin's post (and the following comments) predicting a revocation of Brexit early in 2019 makes for interesting reading.

Does sound plausible to me.

I again heard Theresa May on the radio this morning saying that another referendum would be a betrayal of democracy, or some such nonsense. 

I still can't get my head around how politicians like her can't get their head around how context matters.   The people would actually understand what is at stake now.  They obviously did not at the time of the first referendum.

And no Homer, you're just wrong on this one.

10 comments:

not trampis said...

who decides if the people understand what they are voting about?

It is a very elitist argument and silly

Parliament will reject the deal, there will be a brexit but without an agreement.
Everyone loses

Steve said...

Homer, anyone with a brain - how is that for elitism - can tell that the British public would now have a grasp of the complexities of Brexit that they did not have at the time of the first referendum.

You're just denying reality if you think you can mount an argument against that point.



Steve said...

Even (some) libertarians are arguing for a second referendum. And as said at a Reason blog:

"If referenda are a legitimate mechanism for making political decisions, then it is also legitimate for them to be overruled by new referenda. Those who live by the referendum sword risk dying by it."

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/12/03/would-a-new-brexit-referendum-be-a-betra

not trampis said...

what evidence do you have that the electorate has changed their mind?

In a democracy they cannot.

Steve said...

what evidence do you have that the electorate has changed their mind?

Polls.

In a democracy they cannot.

What?

not trampis said...

those same polls that predicted a yes victory hmm

No you just cannot vote on any issue until you get the vote you think is the best.
The poms voted and voted no.
stupid yes, ill informed possibly but thats life.tough

Steve said...

You can bet your last pound that the "remainers" would not rely on polling this time being right that their side will win.

Again, you make a mere assertion that you just "can't do that".

A government can, and there is no logical reason why it cannot.

Anonymous said...

There’s been a referendum and a general election ( that the leave party won ) so far.
Why are we still arguing when the decision is already made, twice.

Steve said...

Labor went to the election saying they would support Brexit, did they not? Just argued they would negotiate better. The public didn't really have a choice.

Anonymous said...

The electorate surmised, and we’re later proved correct, that Labor were full of shit when they said they supported Brexit.
Yeah, Jeremy Corbyns Brexit plan was what exactly?