Friday, October 25, 2019

On climbing sacred places

I'm sorry - I really, really do not wish to be showing any sympathy to the obnoxious Right in Australia huffing and puffing about Uluru being closed to climbing, but I do think it's reasonable to see the decision more motivated by an aboriginal rights power play, rather than to do with the question of respect for sacredness of the site to the local indigenous.

Generally speaking, I think humans should get over the belief that any natural formation is more inherently sacred than any other natural place; but you can't tell people they have to stop believing in local or ancient folklore relating to a site, so we have to live with that.

But let's be honest here - there might be lots of "sacred mountains" in the world, but my impression is that very, very few of them are rendered "unable to be climbed" because of that status.   I've been on the side of Mt Fuji and watched some Japanese women do something like a bit of sun worship as it rose - but no one thinks Westerners should be banned from its side.

Similarly, can white liberals stop using such a trite comparison between cathedrals (oh, it's just the same as not allowing people to climb over a cathedral, because it's sacred) and Uluru?   Because, let's face it, hundreds of thousands of non-Christian tourists have been allowed to ascend the domes or bell towers of the great cathedrals of Europe merely to admire the view, and that is actually the closest analogy to white folk ascending Uluru up a set path.  Sure, they wouldn't allow tourists to climb up the outside of a cathedral by ropes, for reasons of both damage that could be caused and aesthetics.   But similarly, no one has a problem with Uluru enforcing a one route ascent because they want the minimum of the rock damaged.   In both cases, if there is one route to the top to accommodate tourists, it's a case of a "sacred" space being allowed to be accessed by people who may or may not think the spot is spiritual.   

The other factor is, of course, that the rock has been climbed for a very long time, giving the impression that the sacredness being defiled was not such an important issue in the past as it is now.

And really, isn't it kind of obvious that claiming, or inflating, sacred importance is just the easiest way indigenous groups have for feeling they can exert power?  Have liberals forgotten the Hindmarsh Island affair?

Having said all of this, I am not suggesting that there is any point in politically disputing the decision - I don't actually feel they should not have the right to ban climbing for whatever reason.  (And actually, the safety issue is a fairly significant one, given the number who have died on the climb.)

But I don't think the populace has to feel guilty about assessing that the decision is not particularly well justified, or high-minded, even on the popularly claimed  "must respect the sacredness" grounds.  Hence, I won't join in the criticism of those tourists who have rushed to climb it (even though I don't really see why climbing it on a hot day has that much inherent attraction, either.)   It reads more just an indigenous political power play.   

 

4 comments:

John said...

They are not doing themselves any favour with this ban. It just looks spiteful and it contradicts their demand that all of us should become familiar with aboriginal mythology. Of course they would never use the word "mythology" but that's what it is. I imagine they would be "offended" by such a term and lodge a complaint with the HRC.

Not Trampis said...

only idiots would go way out there and then climb the thing. I do note not all aboriginals believe it is wrong to climb the stupid thing

TimT said...

The ‘indigenous religious/cultural concerns’ angle does look suspicious when it is inevitably raised in the matter of mines or infrastructural development. Doesn’t seem to be here.

I just think, well, it’s their rock and if they don’t want people to climb it, fine, that should be respected.

Steve said...

Tim, re your lack of suspicion about "indigenous religious/cultural concerns’ in this case, I think this person who doesn't appear much at Catallaxy might be reliable on this point:

"sfw
#3193461, posted on October 25, 2019 at 2:28 pm

I was a tour guide in the 70’s we did Ayres Rock most trips. Been up it at least 22 times, wet, raining, stinking hot. windy and fine weather. Never had a problem with anyone getting up or down, sometimes had to walk people down the steeper section but that’s all. I used to often talk with the local aboriginals including a few very old men. None of them ever worried about people climbing it. They didn’t want people going near two (three?) of the caves at the base and I never went near those caves and neither did any of the other tour guides as far as I know.

It’s all bullshit, done to appease those who will never be appeased."


And may God forgive me for quoting someone from Catallaxy as an authoritative source on anything...