Much of the criticism is over the top, I think, and they let indignation get in the way of some sound points. (See the Slate article Should Black Kids Pay for David Brooks’ Pothead Sins? as a good example.)
And, let's face it, it is hard not to be a little annoyed with the "don't do as I did, you young 'uns, or you might not end up as President" approach of, well, US Presidents.
As for libertarians; for goodness sake, they keep on citing Portugal's decriminalisation of possession of drugs as if it is something they think should be emulated, when in fact the system is nothing like an easy going libertarian dream at all. Sure, the possessor of small quantities may not face court, instead they face this (assuming Wikipedia has it right):
The drugs are confiscated, and the suspect is interviewed by a “Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction” (Comissões para a Dissuasão da Toxicodependência – CDT). These commissions are made up of three people: A social worker, a psychiatrist, and an attorney.[9][10] The dissuasion commission have powers comparable to an arbitration committee, but restricted to cases involving drug use or possession of small amounts of drugs. There is one CDT in each of Portugal’s 18 districts.Oddly enough, one of the fairest takes on Brook's article is to be found in an Economist blog, even though that magazine keeps on talking up relaxing drugs laws. (And, everyone has to admit that America has had issues with dealing with drug use as a health issue rather than a criminal one. But the Australian and European approaches have generally not resulted in excessive criminal prosecution for small time users, and we have long been advanced in matters such as the methodone program for heroin users, and needle exchange programs.)
As it says in the Economist article that I'm recommending:
The point is that however the cost/benefit formula is constructed, there are factors on both sides of the equation. Lives have been ruined by marijuana as well as by its prohibition. It may be facile to lament the legalisation of the drug while ignoring the damage wrought by prohibition, but it is equally silly to assume that there will be no losers from the unprecedented experiments in Colorado and Washington. Mr Brooks may sound supercilious and priggish, but he is a columnist for the New York Times; that is virtually a job requirement. He does not explicitly argue for prohibition to be maintained, as many of his critics appear to assume. Nor would his conclusions be incompatible with widespread decriminalisation of marijuana, which would alleviate much of the harm of prohibition without carrying the implicit imprimatur of state approval Mr Brooks dislikes so much (that is not my position, nor that of The Economist, but it is not a dishonourable one). Opposition to marijuana legalisation is the position of a substantial if dwindling minority. Perhaps Mr Brooks's column is best understood as an expression of that minority concern.[Update: here's a short article from a site I am completely unfamiliar with, linking to other pieces I haven't actually read yet, about the genuine complexity of legalising the use of marijuana.]
As for a broader bit of commentary on drug use, I was quite impressed by this article in Slate:
Cocaine trafficking horrors: Users are complicit in the atrocities of the drug trade
in which a scientist can't get over the fact that rich Americans who want their cocaine simply will not factor in that they are feeding a horrendous situation in Mexico. Sure, they can say the true blame is the government anti-drugs regime (at an international scale) that sets up the money to be made in drugs by criminals. Put surely the proper, moral thing to do in that case is to campaign against that approach to drugs, while not personally feeding the system that is causing criminal mayhem in poorer countries.
I imagine some readers might argue that you could say the same thing applied during Prohibition, and ask whether I think all people who went to a "speakeasy" in that period where immoral too. Well, basically, yes: I think they were if they knew the extent to which they were directly fuelling murder in their country. The thing is, as bad as gang warfare might have been in the mafia in that period, it was nothing on the scale of what people can read about in the situation in Mexico and other countries today. (Read the Slate article on that point.) Also, people are (or should be) better exposed to the effects of their paying for drugs now given modern communications compared to how people got the news 90 years ago.
The argument that cocaine is a drug which, like marijuana, is capable of use just for occasional recreational fun is a two edged sword - libertarian types will puff up and get indignant about why such a drug is criminalised and banned at all, but I say the fact that some users only want it for that special one night buzzy feel makes it even worse that they will not consider the dire consequences of their feeding the criminality in Mexico.
Why can't people just live with the one, ancient, social (but still dangerous) drug that comes in thousands of taste varieties?
UPDATE: Add Slate's David Weigel to the list of writers over reacting to Brooks. In fact, while Brook's "confession" of once not being to perform in front of his class due to overindulgence was a bit embarrassing, Weigel comes up with is own confession which I find a tad cringeworthy in its own way:
Actual confession: I smoke pot. I've never bought it, but I've had it when friends bring it out to enliven a party. Frankly, I'm a terrible pothead. Having never really smoked cigarettes, I'm all thumbs at lighting a pipe or joint. The last time I smoked, earlier this week, the product overcame the wan barriers of my tolerance and I passed out on a kitchen floor—actually a pretty excellent goodbye-to-the-old-year metaphor, though somewhat embarrasing at the time. (UPDATE: Should note that the time before this, pot was part of a lovely evening of conversation and record-playing. It's like any other drug, and the experiences vary.)David, David. As I assume you are mature enough to not pass out through over indulgence in alcohol any more, it's not that great an advertisement for marijuana to tell us you passed out from it a bit unexpectedly only last weekend.
And then he runs with the "it's not so different from alcohol anyway" argument:
Point is, I didn't fear or confront any other consequences. I knew I wouldn't because none of the people I've smoked with, in D.C. at least, have found it impeded their work any more than a bit of heavy drinking would. As a habit, it's somewhat less dangerous than heavy drinking, as it neuters the violent instinct, is hard to overindulge on, and isn't as fun to ingest. (Your choice: Suck on a wet roll of paper full of vegetation in your friend's bedroom, or knock back an aged and aerated red wine across the table from a date?)Oh OK, so like I argue, good alcoholic beverages can taste great and (I take David's word for it) are more fun to ingest. So why do people who want to use it (say) once a month so insistent that they are missing out on much if they can't get it? Go buy a particularly good bottle of one of that "more fun to ingest"drug instead.
Look, as the Economist article suggests, what most of these attacks on Brooks are suggesting is that moderate personal use of marijuana should be largely decriminalised, because the over the top approach to criminalising it in the US has gone too far. Australians and Europeans can largely agree with that.
But the Brooks article is about the effect of outright legalisation, which is quite a different thing.
n which a scientist can't get over the fact that rich Americans who want their cocaine simply will not factor in that they are feeding a horrendous situation in Mexico.
ReplyDeleteThe same could be said about alcohol consumption because that clearly is related to violence and murder. That Australia still allows so much alcohol advertising in sporting events also implicates the sporting codes in alcohol and violence related crime. So when every adult consumes alcohol they are supporting an industry that in Australia and Britain is providing a product that facilitates violence and murder.
Let Colorado do its experiment, let us see what happens. At least it will keep potheads away from the criminal element and so not be exposed to much more dangerous drugs. Criminal marijuana sales are often used to help finance other drug operations.
I'm not at all convinced there is a valid comparison between the self inflicted health problems (both private and public) arising from alcohol use with the murderous and rapacious actions of criminal cartels.
ReplyDeleteCarlton United Breweries doesn't actually have a strategy of shooting and beheading a few thousand people a year as part of their brand loyalty promotions, does it?
But I agree that the consequences of legalising something are by no means clear when the illegal market is so ingrained already. I don't know whether use will substantially increase in those US states or not. I suspect that amongst adults it will make barely a difference - like Brooks says, most adults lose interest in it anyway. But the bigger worry is that use by teenagers - which is exactly when it seems everyone now agrees it shouldn't be used - will increase. But who knows, I may all be surprised.
As I indicated in the post, I actually don't have much of a problem with the Portugal approach, since it seems it is actually based on actively discouraging use by forcing those deemed to need rehab into getting it. It seems that all libertarian publications can see is that it is better than sending people to jail for persistent personal use, but the principle behind it is not libertarian at all.
I'm not at all convinced there is a valid comparison between the self inflicted health problems (both private and public) arising from alcohol use with the murderous and rapacious actions of criminal cartels.
ReplyDeleteThe principle concept still holds Steve: if we choose to use a product that clearly is a direct cause of violence and murder we are supporting the production of a dangerous product that causes violence and death in our streets. It is not as bad as what happens in Mexico but it is still bad. I do have a personal bias here, I've seen friends destroyed by alcohol, one committing suicide.
Yes, the data is very clear: sustained teenage use paves the way for all sorts of problems and these are much more worrisome than the consequences of teenage alcohol consumption. The problem is now compounded by the street use of THC analogues, drugs developed for laboratory studies which are many more times potent than THC. There are cases in the USA one use of these drugs sending teenagers off to the psych ward. We are caught between a rock and hard place here. The main reason Colorado has gone down this road is not about what is good society but what is good for the state budget. The govt will make a fortune out of this not just through marijuana sales and taxation but there will be a huge tourism boost. Neighbouring states may then be forced to legalise it because the criminals there will purchase cannabis in Colorado and then sell in their state. So I expect a domino effect to follow here.
I have mixed feelings about this because the pot of today contains x5 the THC concentration of 30 years ago and there is also a huge drop in CBD concentration. THC does potentiate psychotic symptoms and anxiety, CBD appears to do the exact opposite. So the new strains represent a double edged sword and raises very serious questions about the risk to teenage brains. I suspect this THC-CBD ratio change is also behind the studies over the last 15 years pointing to clear risks for teenagers. As for adults, the results are relevant during smoking periods, post washout little if any residual effects remain.
Just thought this might interest you ...
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So why do people who want to use it (say) once a month so insistent that they are missing out on much if they can't get it? Go buy a particularly good bottle of one of that "more fun to ingest"drug instead.
ReplyDeleteThe effects are entirely different. There is even good evidence to suggest that intake of cannabinoids at low doses can have some important health benefits. When stoned listening to music takes on a whole new twist, which probably explains why so many musicians like pot. Being stoned is completely different to drinking alcohol.
Why demand people enjoy one drug over another when the risk profiles for adults don't justify that moral position?
The risk profile? Do you remember what quality music Paul McCartney was making with Wings when he outted himself as regular pot smoker? :)
ReplyDeleteMcCartney first used drugs in the Beatles' Hamburg days, when they often used Preludin to maintain their energy while performing for long periods.[277] Bob Dylan introduced them to marijuana in a New York hotel room in 1964; McCartney recalls getting "very high" and "giggling uncontrollably".[278] His use of the drug soon became habitual, and according to Miles, McCartney wrote the lyrics "another kind of mind" in "Got to Get You into My Life" specifically as a reference to cannabis.
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