Wednesday, September 30, 2020

A presidential debate, noted

I happened to see about that last 15 minutes, which was perhaps not quite as full of interruptions as was the first part?   (Certainly, even at the end, it was clear that Trump was the prime interrupter, refusing to follow the rules regarding a two minute statement that was had been agreed to be without interruption.)

Looking at the comments of the Australian based Trump supporters, it seems an uncontroversial opinion that their dumb ass orange hero interrupted too much and was too aggressive.  Many theorised that he wasn't letting Biden hang himself by not allowing him to talk long enough.  

I thought that, in the parts I saw, Biden was doing fine in his language, especially if you make allowances for an old issue with stuttering, which I think does still show itself in occasional vocal hesitations.

It is quite unbelievable that some "two sides" commentators think that neither side won because Biden also cut loose with some personal insults.   I mean, seriously?   Do they think contenders just have to "rise above" the rambling personal aggression of Trump in that context?   

The correct view is that Trump's performance could only possibly have appealed to his already rusted on, beyond all reasoning, culture war fighting, base.    And anyone who claims they were fence sitting and decided to side with Trump after that performance are, with 99% certainty, not being truthful about there ever being a chance that they were going to vote for Biden.

There is no point in saying that Trump won because he "dominated" and would have impressed his base.  His base is not really like rusted on party members of old - they are (in large part) genuine deplorables given permission by their cult leader to finally be open about their worst instincts, and if Trump had gone over and punched Wallace and slapped Biden in the face, they would say they deserved it and still vote for him.   He's their projected revenge figure against, basically, a modern world over which they are losing control.

Biden performed well enough to dispel any genuine concern about his mental acuity, and reinforced his basic humanity, serious approach to issues, and genuine move towards at least trying to not further divide Americans and promote self serving conspiracy based theories damaging to confidence in democracy in the way Trump clearly seeks to.     

So yeah, obviously, Biden was the winner.   It seems most on line polling and the betting market agrees.


6 comments:

GMB said...

Stuttering. Ha ha ha ha ha. You bought that jive? Yeah and Biden takes time out from the Presidential campaign to help the kids with their stuttering.

Not Trampis said...

It was a complete and utter joke.

By not 'losing' Biden won. He should thank Trump for that

GMB said...

Right from the start Joe Biden showed no capacity to think at all. He couldn't figure out which election allows people to act like a President and make Presidential decisions. He couldn't figure it out that its the LAST ELECTION that allows you to do that, not the next one.

So he was mentally deficient all the way through. Nowhere did we see him making a logical argument. That is pretty mentally challenged right? Not being able to figure out which election leads to the capacity to make decisions.

Bidens lack of mental capacity is helped along by the general ideological lunacy on the left. Like there was this pretense that a sick old lady, just before she died, said something about not wanting a new appointment until after the next election.

Its a stupid story and it seems that people have forgotten already that Ruth was not the President and didn't even run for President and that Supreme Court Judges don't appoint other Supreme Court Judges. So why we listening to fairy stories about that old lady? Why not the cat lady down the road. Or the man who sleeps underneath a bridge?

A lot of stupidity going around at the moment and what it means is that we cannot solve any problems until we decide that logic and reason matter.

Not Trampis said...

Another assault on democracy by Trump.

If the Yanks vote him in they deserve him

John said...

Trump's rhetorical style played to his base. That is a tactical error. His problem is not his base it is the independents and undecided. Trump's refusal to condemn right wing extremism is a huge mistake.

I agree with Steve's analysis.

GMB said...

On another note and Steve has covered this before. The first lady has these chiseled ice Goddess features. A king of cold look. She's by far the hottest and most beautiful first lady the Republic has ever seen. Not even a close contest. And they keep on screwing her looks up by giving her masculine clobber to wear. What is the matter with the Trump camp? You get this feeling that both sides are trying to lose but the Democrats are trying a lot harder. Unbelievable. I like looking at hotter older women. But they dress her up as a soldier or a businessman. Crazy these people. Last time Trump ran a stunning campaign. This time there is no real flare.