Saturday, October 14, 2023

Get a grip (and let's try to make the "practical and reasonable No" case)

Gee, how long will it take before we stop having to watch heads explode in columns and columns of over-wrought commentary on the (presumed) failure of the referendum before we can find any (even semi-prominent) commentator from the press gallery or the entertainment world (or academia - haha, just kidding) to make the following points:

*   It was inherent in the proposal that a new level of bureaucratic organisation with an unknown price tag would be inserted into the already crowded field of who governments could listen in terms of policy advice on indigenous matters.   What guarantee could anyone give that this would alter in any significant way the current outcomes?   

*  The argument that it "could do no harm" was spurious as it meant supporting an open ticket for the diversion of many millions of dollars every year in expenditure on advisory commissioners and support staff, a cost especially hard to justify when the proposal was that governments were not bound to act on its advice anyway, and could prefer the recommendation of already existing groups.     To argue that it was groundbreaking, and vital, and at the same time say that it was "safe" for everyone to endorse because it couldn't bind government anyway was inherently contradictory.

*  This was not the only way a constitutional right to involvement in government could have been proposed -  see New Zealand, for example - and while the Yes campaign was based on the idea that it was the minimalist version most likely to succeed, if that turns out to be wrong, it should be taken more as a  lesson of not putting all your eggs in one basket, rather than arguing Australians are racist and unreasonable and reject all ideas regarding recognition of aboriginal input in government policy.    (Incidentally, at least a guaranteed number of indigenous seats within government - perhaps within the Senate? - would be something with a clear and limited cost.)

*   Polling, and reporting, showed that the proposal was likely supported by a majority, but not an overwhelming one, of the "grass roots" indigenous people.   Surely that should cause hesitation in the overblown condemnation of all of those on the "No" side?

*   Indigenous disadvantage and issues are inherently hard to solve - governments simply can't and won't spend unlimited amounts of money, especially for services in the remotest areas.   Nor can they force health or other staff to work in remote areas, especially if they face danger to their personal safety and are not respected if mistakes are made.   The "Yes" campaign made a pretence of two issues - that governments had never been "listening" or trying to engage at community level to solve problems (demonstrably false for anyone with Google - and something illustrated by a recent string of reports about programs where community engagement, and government support, has shown good outcomes); and that inserting an advisory body in Canberra would "turn it around".    

*   None of this is to say that the "No" campaign by the Coalition was in any way admirable - it was in reality pretty cynical and disreputable.   But in fact, the way polling is indicating that the Coalition is not significantly benefitting from the "success" of their campaign likely means that some significant number of the "No" voters were not particularly swayed by the Coalition's efforts.   In other words - maybe reasonable people had reasonable reasons for not supporting this referendum regardless of wrong or stupid or racist statements made by some on the "No" side.


5 comments:

John said...

On the 7.30 Report, Thursday(?), there was a segment about how decades ago WA had the broad equivalent of a Voice. It achieved nothing.

Indigenous disadvantage and issues are inherently hard to solve

It is only hard to solve because we won't treat indigenous problems the same we treat our problems. Alcoholism and drug abuse isn't solved by blaming it on what happened in the person's past, let alone what happened to ancestors. It requires addressing the proximate causes of those behavior. One good way to stop drug and alcohol addiction is remove the person from others engaged in the same behavior. Domestic violence: lock 'em up but we can't do that because no-one in the community will point out the perpetrators. Health outcomes: diabetes is rampant partly because of differing insulin responses but mostly for the same reasons as it happens in us: bad diet and lack of exercise. We don't need a voice to solve these problems, we just need more honest indigenous people like Mundine and Price.

We need a complete reimagining of how to address the problems confronting remote communities. Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson etc will forever keep pushing the same old barrow. They are a hindrance not a benefit for indigenous people. Old and past their use by date.

TimT said...

Given the numerous examples I’ve seen of Aboriginal activists either against the Voice, or indifferent to it - and the stories from different Aboriginal communities displaying either apathy or antipathy to the idea - I’d be surprised if indigenous support for the Voice is anywhere *near* the oft-repeated, simple figure of 80 per cent that the Yes campaign resorts to.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Tim, I did mention the poll this week which indicated the Yes vote amongst indigenous was in the range 54 to 64 %. But all pollsters say it really hard to accurately poll this group.

John said...

Steve our hope may yet be realised. What this vid and see Mundine go ballistic onk the journalists. Rightly so, for too long the media have refused to ask the difficult questions. I'd like to think that this type of outrage by Mundine is enough for all Australians to take a closer look and find a new way to solve the problems plaguing remote communities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_av7coHxye4

Not Trampis said...

no,
Itb would a change in bureaucracy not an increase.

and no it was groundbreaking in that it would be listening to people who would be affected but it would only be advice.
that is not contradictory at all.

As for Warren Mundine he is easily the most inarticulate person I have heard in politics/ He does not even understand what racism is as his accusation of Pearson showed.
I always thought no would win even if it was bipartisan.
Ray Martin was right if you don't know vote no is easily the most stupid statement ever made.
If you do not know then find out.

the claim for more detail shows most australians do not understand the constitution as Anne twomey has pointed out.

what few people understand is that no government can implement policy through getting local people input